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Welcome back to the Thriving Thyroid Podcast, where we choose to become empowered patients and take our health into our own hands. Hi, I'm Shannon Hanson, a Christian entrepreneur, a mom of three. And after dealing with my own health mysteries, I made it my mission to learn everything I could about the thyroid. I soon became certified as a holistic wellness practitioner, a functional nutrition practitioner, and a functional diagnostic practitioner. And so much more After that, I founded the Revolutionary Thyroid Program, the Handsome Method. As a health professional and a mom, I fully understand the importance of having a fun, simple, and sustainable plan for achieving a responsive thyroid. So I share actionable and practical strategies for developing a responsive thyroid so that the ambitious moms and women can gain freedom from fatigue and lose the thyroid weight once and for all. Each week I will be here for you, along with my guest experts. We will be sharing simple and tangible tips that work for not only your thyroid, your hormones, your family, and your mindset, so that you can get back to living the life that you envision for yourself. Welcome to the Thriving Thyroid Podcast cast.
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Welcome back to the Thriving Thyroid Podcast. You guys, I am super excited to have Debbie. She is one of the only people that has been on the podcast twice now. And we're talking, I'm
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Honored.
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Yes. Yes. We are talking about migraines and the inflammation and stress and how it all comes together because I think in modern society, we piece together, We think I need to see an endocrinologist for my thyroid. I need to see a neurologist for my headaches and and neurology stuff, and I need to see a gastroenterologist. And we're not looking at things at that deeper level and how it all comes together. So Debbie, why don't you take a second to just inter or introduce yourself and welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you. Thank you so much for having me here. So, as Shannon said, I'm Debbie Weyle. I'm a certified migraine health coach specialist, and I work on supporting women to find their migraine freedom without having to use pills, quick fixes, and all of the risky surgeries that conventional medicine is offering them. Because we 100% believe that there is a root cause that migraine really is just a symptom of your body telling you that something is wrong. And we know that thing that's wrong is chronic inflammation. So every single thing that we do works on helping women reduce that inflammation so that they can find the reduction in severity, duration, and frequency of those migraines, but also ensure that there aren't gonna be worse symptoms later on in their life so that they can live the life they want pain free.
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Yeah, absolutely. And Debbie, I know on the the original podcast, I would have to go back and look at what number. Maybe I'll do that while you're talking really quickly. We talked about distinguishing headaches and migraines, so let's speak into that for just a second for the listeners.
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Absolutely. So I talk to hundreds of women a month and it amazes me how many times they come to me and just say, you know, well, I just have this little bit of pain here or there, you know, I just have maybe a couple headaches a month. And then when we start talking to them, we, we've realized this really our migraines, you know, when we look at migraines, we look at a scale of one to 10 of pain, one to three being that pain that most of the women that I talk to, just, they're pushing through, right? They're going to the baseball game, they're going to the concert, they're in pain. They're not really focused on what's happening, but they can manage, they can keep working. Four to six is that pain where I'm pulling the medi the medication out. You know, I have to keep going through work, I have to do it.
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So here's my Imitrex, you know, here's whatever else the doctor gave me that month, you know, to try to get through. And then 7, 8, 9, we're in bed, You know, we're really just under the covers. We can't do anything. And then 10, these are the ladies that are heading to the hospital, you know, heading to the ER because they're in so much pain. You're feeling that symptom, you know, of that head pain, that throbbing. But everybody feels it a little different, right? Some people have nauseas, some people have dizziness, some people have stabbing head pain. Some people have, you know, the big one is always the neck, right? You know, your upper back into your neck. You know, I can't tell you how many people say they need to go to a, I just need physical therapy, I just need a massage. I'm like, No, let's your body letting me know that that's a migraine coming. So doesn't matter what the symptoms are, it doesn't matter. The combo, you have them. Again, this is all about chronic inflammation and reducing that so that we are not feeling these migraines.
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Yeah. And, and I love that. So I, as you guys should know, if you don't, cause I know we have new people all the time so I feel like I am a broken record. I'm sure you feel that way, Debbie <laugh>, but I'm like, everybody should know this, but I, like, we get new listeners, we get new people all the time. And I used to, I have struggled with migraines specifically. Like I remember my very first one was five years old and I'm throwing up in pain and I'm mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, like my head just hurts so bad. But I'm like five. And I didn't have the language to say, Hey, I need medication. My parents are like, Oh, you're sick. You know, got a virus or whatever laid down. And I'm like, It hurts. And they, I will say they're, they're not as frequent, but there's been over the years where I've had to call my husband or call someone to take care of my kids or to the point where I can't function. And I think this is, what am I trying to say? Sometimes we start out at that 3, 4, 5, you know, we're making it through the day and then we're, okay, now I gotta take medication. What did you say? Like six? That a five, six?
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Yeah. Yeah, usually. Yep.
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And then if we're not addressing the real inflammation and the real problem behind it, then we end up 7, 8, 9.
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Yep. Absolutely.
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Unable to function.
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Absolutely. Cause cuz we think we have to push through, right? And this is more so with women, you know, we think that we are super women, we are invincible, that the world cannot run without us. That our children are gonna, you know, go crazy if we're not there every single second of the day. So we push, we push, we push, we push. And by doing that we're increasing that inflammation, increasing that need for medication and keeping us in this like hamster wheel of just back and forth. You know, we get a migraine, we take the me then we're gonna, you know, because of the inflammation from taking the me, we're gonna get a migraine. And it just doesn't stop. It just doesn't stop until we get to that root cause and we actually stop and think about ourselves for a moment and do a little self care for ourselves.
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Yeah. Yeah. So let's kinda dive into how stress is related to inflammation. And I'm so excited to talk about this because I have some personal people in my life that I'm like,
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I, yeah. I am so excited about this topic. And really the reason that we are focusing on this selfishly is because this has really hit my life in the last few months. I, you know, am a business owner. I'm a mama two and I now am the guardian to my 75 year old uncle who has down syndrome. Cuz my father passed away in May. So lots of changes in my world, lots of stress. And very quickly I noticed things start creeping back into my world that I didn't like. I started noticing how I was feeling Now I did not get a migraine. I was able to keep the migraines at bay for everything that I've learned. But I started noticing that neck pain. I started noticing the heart palpitations more. I started noticing the sleep not be good. The weights stick on a little bit more, a few more, you know, joint aches and pains and realize very quickly how much is this impacting me as a health coach.
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Then it's gotta be massively impacting women that don't live brief and eat health every single day like we do Shannon. Right? Yeah. So I knew this had to be a topic that I needed to look into and when I did some research, I found that 75 to 90% of doctor's office visits are related to conditions caused by stress. That number is astronomical. But I'm sure just like you, Shannon, if you ask your clients or potential clients what they think the reason is for their illness, they're gonna say it's food, it's genetic, You know, those are the top two I get. And we kind of poo poo the fact that stress is having a massive impact on our overall health. Cause it's so much easier to fix your food right. Than to fix your feelings <laugh> and to fix how stress. Right?
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I, yeah. And I also hear, well it's just normal. Like yeah. It's just,
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Yeah,
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It's just my kids. It's just, you know, what I've been dealing with for the last 10 years, It's just my job, you know, I'm a nurse, you know, it's just me having young kids. But I think a lot of that comes from doctors also telling us, Yes, oh, you're just a busy mom. Oh, you're just a nurse. Well, yeah, of course you're a teacher to 30 kids, you know, or whatever, <laugh>, whatever it is. Oh, it's just normal. But what I, and maybe you have better language around this, what I'm coming to realize is sometimes it's the perception of stress.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Stress isn't going away, let's face it. Right? We're living in totally different times. You know, the, the world is heading in a little bit of a different direction, which sometimes can be very stressful up and down, right? So we can't get rid of those things. We don't have control over changing that in a day. So we really need to learn how to perceive the stressors that are coming into our life differently and how we can actually use that to our advantage. Because they really do think that stress a lot of time gets a bad rep. You know, we actually need stress to survive. If we didn't have stressors, we would not be motivated to be the people that we are. We wouldn't be motivated to try to change the world and make things better. But it is the chronic stress, the day to day stress that we aren't really working on that's causing the health issues versus that acute stress that kind of comes in, we fix a problem and then it goes away.
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Right? I kind of talk about inflammation the same way where it's kinda like sitting on the shelf, you know, sitting on your shoulder ready to come in and help you when it needs to, but then it needs to go back and have a rest. It can't be going 24 7. And when it does, it reeks havoc with our bodies and our hormones. And if your clients are anything like mine, we talk about hormones all the time. <Laugh>, this is not helping your hormones ladies at all when we can't find a way to work on the stressors in our daily life.
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Yeah. And I find that it's also, like you said, it's it's balance of dealing with life. You know what, what I wanna call this is like coping skills. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> coping skills to deal with the stress, whether that be journaling or taking a bath or, you know taking some adrenal supplements to help support, you know, the, the, the overworking. And there's also a balance between the mind racing to get things done and find a solution versus repetitive thoughts that are not serving you and not helping you to find solutions too.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And each and every person is a little bit different, you know, so we can list off, you know, 15, 20 things to try to do. You just listed a bunch, you know, to help with stress, but you really need to find what works well with you. And I'm sure you do the same thing with your client, Shannon, but when we work with people, this is actually a huge part of our program and we have a specific coach, you know, a mindset mentor that really works with women to help them figure out what the best way is for their life. Cause the way, the way a woman that has three kids deals with it in comparison to someone who's retired, it's gonna be totally different. Totally different. Yeah. And if they both try to do it the same way, neither one of them is gonna have success. Right. You know, that'd be like taking a doctor's patients, like I said this the other day, if a doctor took a hundred of their patients, put 'em in a room and gave them all the exact same plan, health plan, who's gonna be successful? <Laugh>, you know, nobody because they're all different. Everybody's coming from somewhere different. So it's so important to look at that person as an individual and figure out what they need.
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Yeah. Well and this is something that I talk a lot about is breaking away from that standard practice of care because that's usually what happens. And I think you can agree with migraines. It's like, okay, we've got this medication, this medication, this medication, all right? Like there's no mention of how are you sleeping, how is your diet you know, are you exercising? What is your physical environment like? Are you around a lot of chemicals that are triggering some of these things? You know, it is okay, you're having this symptoms, here's this medication.
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Exactly. And that those are the exact things that we focus on. And so excitingly that we're gonna be focusing on, including with you Shannon <laugh> in November, is it okay to leak it? Now we talk about it.
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Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I was just getting ready to go there. So,
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Perfect. So I am so excited to announce that in November the ninth, 10th and 11th we are hosting a summit surviving to thriving Migraine Freedom Summit. And Shannon is gonna be one of our expert speakers that's coming on. And this whole summit is 100% focused on all of the different areas of stress. So we will be going into each and every area that Shannon just mentioned, you know, whether it's, you know, stressors from eating the wrong foods to stress from not, you know, looking at our circadian responsivity correctly, you know, how are we sleeping, what are we doing? Same with movement every single area of your life because it all boils down to looking at the things that you're doing and making little tiny, small tweaks in those areas to ensure that we are giving our body everything it needs to be able to function properly.
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Our body can do all the work. It's just up to us to make sure that we give it the things that it needs to be able to do that. And that's what the summit's gonna be all about. So it's gonna be 10 amazing interviews from women who are experts in their fields covering all of those areas of stress. So there will be something in here for each and every one of you. This is not a cookie cutter plan or approach, but you can come in and take what you need, leave the rest. And I can tell you by the time you're done, you're gonna have a whole different perception of what stress is and actually an appreciation for it as well. Cuz again, it's not an evil word, we just need to learn how to use it wisely in our world.
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Yeah. Yes, absolutely. So give us going into the the summit. What are some of the topics and what are some of the things people are gonna be talking about?
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Absolutely. So we're gonna kick it off the first day. Genie is actually gonna come in and kick off our summit and talk about how to avoid migraine triggers from stress. She's actually gonna really break it down super simple for us, telling us what stress actually is, the process of already our body endures when we are stressed and how that sets the stage for migraines. You know, I think it's important when we start the summit that we really dive in and get a full understanding. So we'll kick it off that way and then we're gonna move into other areas like talking about foods and food sensitivities and how that can trigger GI inflammation, increasing toxicity, you know, which is gonna bring us to the migraine, you know, causing levels. Cuz let's face it, so much of what happens in our body goes right back to our gut, right?
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You know, everyone talks about the gut being the first brain in our brain being the second brain. I'm a full believer in that, you know, I'm not saying that we have to go super crazy and start eating cardboard in our diet. I love the food that I eat. But it's an essential part of everything we do for health. So we will be hitting on that quite a bit in the summit. And then I know this is gonna be a favorite <laugh> of everyone. So Shannon, you really have one of the best topics in the summit. Everyone loves talking about hormones, <laugh>, everyone loves talking about that. So Shannon's jumping in with her expertise, you know, your expertise and your thyroid information and talking about stress hormones and we're really gonna jump in and reveal that common mistake that women make when trying to clear up inflammation in their body.
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Cuz let's face it, we throw this word around, but what does that mean? What do we do? How do we balance the hormones? So I know that's gonna be one that is really well attended. I'm super excited about that. Plus a few other guests coming on. We have a doctor who's coming on who, a Chinese medicine doctor who's actually gonna walk us through some pressure and acupuncture. Things that we can actually do when we're in pain. Cuz let's face it, migraines aren't, don't go way instantaneous. That's so, I'm so excited that we can get some tools right to use while we're working on ending pain. We have a, a yoga master coming in who is gonna actually take us through some breath tests and explain that to us so that we have some more additional tools. And Andrea jumping on with more home hormone talk and Alicia with more food and inflammation. So it's gonna be amazing. There are so many different aspects of stress that we're gonna cover. I think that we'll be able to fully, fully engulf the whole topic by the end of our three day summit.
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Yeah, absolutely. So just so you guys know, and I did find my podcast sheet, so Debbie, if people wanna go back and listen where we talk more about migraines and the breakdown of different types of migraines and things like that that is in episode 45 on a Thriving Thyroid podcast. And then Jeanie was on an episode 43 where we were talking about adrenal fatigue. And even still to this day, that is one of my most downloaded podcast episodes for, for everything everybody wants. In my world, everybody wants to know about adrenal fatigue.
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Yeah. And
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So, and hormones, it's, it's
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Crucial, right? Cuz we're all exhausted. We're all exhausted, we're so tired. So, and it all pieces together. Which is why I love jumping on and doing podcasts like this with people like you, Shannon, because everything that we do, it's so encompassing. Yeah. Our women have so many of the same symptoms, right?
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Yes. And in 25, 30, even 40 minutes, we cannot take everything that's in our brain and give it to all of you guys. And this is something that's been kind of frustrating for me lately because I'm like, I just wanna help every single person. Yeah. But when I'm preparing a podcast or alive or whatever it is, I am not speaking to the one, I'm speaking to the masses. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> instead of, So it's like I have to be careful what I say in certain things because I'm like, well if this person has gallbladder issues, then I would do this. But if they don't, then I would do this. You know? And like my mind just starts going, Well I would do this for this person, but not for this person. But you know, and, and so when I recording these things, I want to give you as much value as possible and also give you solutions. But it's like I almost can't dive into all of the things.
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It's hard, right? Cause there's a foundational approach, you know, and I know you have the same thing in your program. You know, where, you know, we, we do as much as we can and we give a very foundational approach to everyone. But then you need to build on that foundation. Once you have the foundation, each and every person, like if you think about a house, everyone decorates their house different, right? Yeah. Everyone has a different style, a different look on the inside. And that's where that individualized approach comes in. And you know, people who have thyroid issues working with you, Shannon, that's when they need that support is to be able to make the inside look beautiful and figure out what exactly they need. Because 100%, one of the big ones you mentioned gallbladder, that's something we deal with all the time, you know, and and our clients who don't have a gallbladder versus those that do, you cannot treat them the same.
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You cannot support them The same if you do, you are not gonna get results for that person that doesn't have a gallbladder anymore. So it is so imperative to get that foundational work done and this the summit things like this Shannon's podcast that so helps with the foundation but then you gotta keep going. Nobody wants to live in an empty house, right? <Laugh>. Yeah. You gotta keep going and take it to the end and get that support that you need. You specifically based on your health, your lifestyle and what you're willing to do. You know, that's another big thing. What's everybody willing to do? You know, some people are willing to work, work out a half an hour a day. Some people not so much and you have to help each one get where they need to be.
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Well and speaking of working out, not every kind of exercise works for everybody. Like I haven't done hit training and well I love it. I'm like, I don't, it's hard for me to be consistent but put me in a bar class. I'm like, I love it. This is my happy place. Here's a little like insider secret. I'm gonna go be certified in teaching bar because I love it so much.
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That's amazing.
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<Laugh>, you think you're
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Crazy to do <laugh>? I think that's amazing. And that's what we talk about all the time is find that right exercise for you. Right? Cause if you're trying to do something that you hate an hour a day, how long is it gonna last A month or two? Maybe you can push yourself to do it, but once you find something you love, then it doesn't seem like work anymore. You know? Which I think is the same with you and I with this, with what we do as a career, why we're business owners. Because it doesn't feel like work. Because the joy that we get from supporting women on a daily basis to get rid of those symptoms that they're feeling and actually live their lives is absolutely amazing cuz we've lived it and we know what it's like not to be able to do that.
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Yep. Absolutely. So one of the last things that I want to talk about before we wrap this up here is when I'm looking at the overview of all of the people talking, two of the big things that I'm seeing is nutrition and stress.
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Yeah.
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And I wanna just tiny hit on nutrition and how, what happens when we're stressed out with our nutrition?
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Hmm. <Laugh>. Well let's see when I'm stressed, what's the first thing I wanna go to? <Laugh>. Let's see, chocolate wine. What do we like? Ladies bread chips. You know, let's think about it. It's comfort food, right? When we are totally stressed, the last thing we wanna do is go make a beautiful plate of brussel sprouts and broccoli and you know, other food like that. Plus when we are fully stressed out, our body actually takes in food differently, right? We, you know, if we're stressed and our heart is racing and we eat food, our body is thinking man, why she's so stressed. She's trying to keep herself alive right now. So I'm really not really worried about digesting the food and getting all the minerals and nutrients out of it. I'm just worried about keeping her alive in the moment. So it's kind of a twofold thing here, right?
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We need, we, when we're stressed we don't eat well, but then our body doesn't use the food that we eat even well. So it is so imperative. It's so imperative to work on that stress piece first so that that nutrition piece can actually work for you. Well you know, we already know that our food isn't as good as it was a hundred years ago due to soil erosion and all those other things. So every single bite of food that we put in our mouth, we need to make sure that it is gonna be serving our body the best. Right? So we need to give our body everything that we can to ensure that happens.
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Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. And I think that's a great place to leave this off because well yes, we're gonna leave it there.
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You and I could talk forever, Shannon. We could go on for a week so
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We could, but the point of this is for you guys to hear more about the summit and register for the summit and come listen to all of these different experts in their field of genius when it comes to stress, migraines, nutrition, inflammation, even if you don't have migraines per se mm-hmm. <Affirmative> still come because you're gonna learn so much about the human body that it's going to be well worth your time. I like, I'm looking at this list and I'm like, yeah, that person and that person and I've had this person on the podcast and I follow this person and I love what this person says. So you know, if I'm loving these women, I know, I know you guys are going to as well. So any last things that you would like to share about the the summit, Debbie?
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Absolutely. So I kind of just wanna hit off of what you just said. You know, I joke all the time with women that I could really name my program, you know, let's reduce your inflammation program. But it's not sexy. It doesn't sound good. You know, the freedom for migraine method sounds so much better. But really at the end of the day, all we're doing is supporting women to reduce that inflammatory load so that they don't end up with something worse than a migraine. You know, I'm almost actually happy when I meet women who have migraines because we can help them with that. We can help them reduce the severity, duration of frequency by working on their inflammation. But when someone comes to me and they've already lost their gallbladder, they have type one diabetes and you know, you can't fix the pancreas that's already broken, right?
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Or they've had a heart attack or stroke or cancer. Those things have already happened. We can't take that back. But when you have migraine, we can 100% work on what is causing it so that worse things don't come. You know, I mean I actually probably should just mentioned Hashimotos. You know, when I had migraines, I ignored them and because I ignored them, Hashimotos set in then eosinophilic esophagitis. So I ended up with two autoimmune conditions. So this summit is for everyone. It is not just for women that have migraines, even though that will be a focus and things we talk about, but it is for anyone who does not feel good, who feels that their health is not where it needs to be. Because this summit will really move you forward to actually taking the control back that you need to of your help and putting yourself in the position to be able to live your best life and live to the age you want too. I dunno about you Shannon, but I'm living to over a hundred amazingly. And I'm gonna be on the beach doing yoga <laugh> in my nineties. You know, that's the life I'm living. So if everyone else wants that life, make sure you get the information from Shannon, join us for the summit and make sure that you take her up on our offer to, you know, jump on a call, chat with her because stop the cookie cutter approach. Get the help that you need. You really need that individualized help.
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Absolutely. And I talk about my husband's grandma all the time. She's 99 and she still golfs you guys. She's amazing. And I'm like, that's what I wanna be. I want to live on my own. I don't wanna live in a care center. <Laugh>. Yeah. I don't want my kids to have to take care of me. I mean, her kids come and like make meals and spend time and stuff with her. Like she's very well taken care of, but she's also very independent. And I'm like, that's what I want. I don't want to
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Well she's probably a happy woman, right?
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She's so happy. Yeah.
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So there's the key right there. She is found a way to manage the stressors that come into her life. She is super happy. Stress, I should have mentioned this sooner. Stress has actually been proven to cause more inflammation than most inflammatory foods. Let that sink in. You wanna go check it out on PubMed? It's in there. I don't remember where it is right now, but there are so many studies right now that are showing that stress. It would be more like if someone came to me and said, what should I work on stress or my diet? I would 100% say stress first. And I kind of just mentioned that a minute ago. You know, if you can eat all the healthiest food in the world that you want to, but if you're stressed, your body is not utilizing that properly. Stress. That's it.
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I'm going the beach. See you in two years.
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Let me know where you are. Be right behind you. Right behind you. So yeah, its the people who live to a hundred look at their lives. They're happy. They may, they may drink, some of them might even smoke here or there. And I'm not saying those two things are okay, but what I'm saying is the, they are so happy that they're keeping their information low enough that that's why they're living the way that they're living at 90. I don't wanna live 90 and be in the nursing home. I wanna live to 90 a hundred and be on the beach. And that's why these people can do it. Cause they're happy. Yeah. They found a way to manage, to perceive their stress differently. So this is gonna be amazing. I cannot wait. Everyone makes sure you get to Shannon's. Shannon puts you
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Are coming on what, on those really quickly?
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Yeah, so it's November, November 9th, 10th and 11th. There are different times each day cuz of course we have different amount of guests each day. So you can grab that info from Shannon. I'm sure she can share that. But Shannon's interview is November 9th at 4:00 PM Eastern time. So make sure you don't miss that.
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All right, great. All right everybody, we will see you guys on the next. Thanks Debbie.
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Thanks so much Shannon. Take care.
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